IRC channel history

#genesis on hackint.org: webirc.hackint.org

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9:16 PM <akira> i would advise you that if you log the channel for public consumption to put that explicitely in the topic
9:17 PM <akira> because some people may not want or expect it
9:18 PM <akira> so it would just be fair to notice them of that in advance

OK, got 'yes'

Sunday, August 16th, 2015
11:43 PM  → stefek99 joined ([email protected])
11:43 PM Channel mode is +nt
11:50 PM <shibumi> Prototype Kannst du stefek99 den channel uebergeben?
11:50 PM <shibumi> Wir suchen uns einen neuen channel fuer unser projekt
11:51 PM <shibumi> Waere awesome danke. Mach das einfach mal und achreib stefek99 an wenn das done ist
11:51 PM <shibumi> Wir muessen nur whywefight bescheid sagen
11:51 PM <stefek99> FYI    ---   genesis.re    ---   I love CCC   ---    Once every four year    ---   I want to have festival lifestyle at all times    ---   Buying land in Portugal + setting up infrastructure…      (thank you in advance)
Monday, August 17th, 2015
1:44 PM <stefek99> Ping... Any updates?
6:42 PM <shibumi> No stefek99 sorry .. Prototype is not reachable at the moment
6:42 PM <shibumi> This will maybe delay a few days.. If i dont remember stefek99 feel free to visit nullday.de and send me an email
6:44 PM <stefek99> It's OK, "hacker time" :)
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Tuesday, August 18th, 2015
1:26 AM → touya joined ([email protected])
1:26 AM <touya> \o
5:29 AM  ↔ •prototype (opped) nipped out  
3:04 PM Connection closed unexpectedly: Timed out
3:05 PM  → stefek99 joined ([email protected])
3:05 PM Channel mode is +nt
4:26 PM •stefek99 was opped (+o) by •prototype
Wednesday, August 19th, 2015
12:26 AM ⇐ •prototype quit (node1@gateway/tor-hashcash-verified) Client Quit
Thursday, August 20th, 2015
9:35 PM  ↔ shibumi popped in  •  touya → akira  
Friday, August 21st, 2015
2:34 PM  ↔ akira nipped out  
2:38 PM <akira> stefek99: ?
2:39 PM <•stefek99> akira: hey...
2:39 PM <•stefek99> I've just returned from the camp, Starbuck in Berlin at the moment...
2:40 PM <akira> ah sek
3:14 PM <akira> stefek99: okay. sorry, a bit busy here myself
3:15 PM <akira> as you are now op, you can register the channel
3:15 PM <akira> /msg chanserv help register 
3:15 PM <akira> should show you all you need
3:15 PM <akira> once you've done that, you can add individual ops
3:15 PM <akira> and set certain channel parameters, like what modes to enforce
3:16 PM <akira> normally shouldn't need any changes
10:41 PM <•stefek99> akira: thank you - I've just got some sleep, will try registering the channel ( /msg chanserv help register)
10:41 PM <•stefek99>  /msg chanserv help register
10:41 PM <•stefek99>  \msg chanserv help register
10:42 PM <•stefek99> (or maybe I'll RTFM before keying in random commands from the internet - in fact I'm nowhere near IRC guy and I'll need --- longer term --- help from many experts in various areas)
11:12 PM <akira> you have to start the line with "/"
11:12 PM <akira> then the next word will be interpreted as command
11:12 PM <akira> these are client commands. i think /help should list them all
11:12 PM <akira> so, /say msg chanserv help register
11:12 PM <akira> will send the message "help register" to chanservv
11:13 PM <akira> to which chanserv will automatically respond
Sunday, August 23rd, 2015
5:03 PM  → •hater (opped) joined  
8:35 PM <•stefek99> hi...
8:35 PM <•stefek99> me: still learning IRC / commands / procoderus
8:35 PM <•stefek99> will probably create dummy / test channel not to screw up the live system
8:36 PM <•stefek99> hater: why are you 'hater' - genesis is full of love (excellence to each other) and I'm trying to better understand your nick...
Monday, August 24th, 2015
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11:41 AM <•stefek99> FYI - pushed some updates to the website - during the #camp - constant feedback... This is a single website, cannot make everyone happy... Current mission - working in a job (contracting) and doing some research, networking, spreading the idea... I know that there are plenty of people out there who want the same, it's just will not happen without financial
11:41 AM <•stefek99> input...
11:42 AM <•stefek99> As an example: you can hitch-hike from Berlin to Barcelona and spend 55 hours or just book a cheap flight (say 50 EUR) and invest energy into a high-yielding projects... (just saying money is powerful tool when used wisely)
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Tuesday, August 25th, 2015
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Wednesday, August 26th, 2015
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Thursday, August 27th, 2015
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Friday, August 28th, 2015
2:50 PM → WebIRC47524 joined ([email protected])
2:51 PM <WebIRC47524> heyjo :)
3:15 PM <•stefek99> WebIRC47524: thanks for joining :)
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Saturday, August 29th, 2015
2:08 AM <akira> ffs BOS, y u so suck?
12:34 PM <•stefek99> BOS?
12:35 PM <•stefek99> akira: BOS - http://www.internetslang.com/BOS-meaning-definition.asp (no idea what that means, sorry)
12:36 PM <•stefek99> ffs - I know what that means - and in terms of me sucking - I know I should setup all the channel topic / infrastructure / everything but I've returned from #camp and I'm still recovering :)
12:36 PM <•stefek99> I'm actually going to http://in2wild.com festival right now... (signing off for a few days)
5:18 PM <akira> stefek99: heh, that went to the wrong channel
5:32 PM <•stefek99> akira: hahahha :) (I was worried I did something wrong)
9:22 PM <•hater> stefek99: are you able to change the channel topic?
11:04 PM <•stefek99> hater: yes and no. Yes: I think I have required privileges. No: never done it before and need RTFM :)
11:05 PM <•stefek99> I was thinking about creating test-test-test channel just for learning / testing
11:09 PM <akira> stefek99: just do /topic <new topi>
11:09 PM <akira> as the channel is set +t, only operators can change the /topic
11:11 PM •stefek99 set the topic: http://genesis.re --- source beginning origin --- renew restart rejuvenate --- to have a hackbase festival 24 / 7 / 365 (all day every day)
11:12 PM <•stefek99> Hurray! It works :)
11:12 PM <akira> stefek99: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html
11:12 PM <akira> you may want to check out "channel maintainance" there
11:13 PM <akira> this does not cover chanserv - only direct commands to set channel modes and operators
11:14 PM <•stefek99>  I'm camping in the woods - http://in2wild.com - will do the reading later...
11:16 PM <akira> sure, it won't get lost :)
11:16 PM <•stefek99> I had a look anyway - two most important commands - topic and kick...
11:17 PM <•stefek99> I'd never imagine I'd be using IRC - Slack and HipChat are more popular among startups but I need to appreciate that plenty of the target audience dislikes proprietary protocols - that's why IRC :)
Monday, August 31st, 2015
12:13 PM <akira> there is no more powerful chat system than irc
12:13 PM <akira> especially easy if you can just use an existing network like hackint
Tuesday, September 1st, 2015
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8:39 AM <•stefek99> akira: "no more powerful chat system than IRC"     ---     yeah, I think it is very powerful... I mentioned Slack / HipChat as more consumer friendly tools (not having this discussion now)
8:39 AM <•stefek99> I actually popped in to the channel to share this link: https://newearthnation.org/
8:41 AM <•stefek99> I was to a festival and plenty of inspiration, including 'new earth nation' - I think that genesis should participate in various networks / collectives / organisations to gain extra visibility...
12:34 PM → strfry joined (1069@shellhost/chaos-darmstadt)
12:35 PM <strfry> ohai
12:36 PM <strfry> just found genesis.re, through researching on HackerYoga (which i sadly did not find at camp)
12:48 PM <strfry> i've had similar thoughts about camp, like the waste of energy and resources for buildup and teardown
12:53 PM <strfry> and i'm curious about the next-gen hacker & hippie fusion movement
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Wednesday, September 2nd, 2015
12:56 AM <•stefek99> Hi strfry :) Thank you for stopping by... It's 00:56am UK time so I'll be going to sleep very very soon...
12:58 AM <•stefek99> I can tell you that I was to couple of hippie events - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Gathering - European Rainbow in Ukraine 2009 and Finland 2010 - I was also to plenty of transformational festivals - even this weekend - http://in2wild.com - and I see the same pattern all over again - plenty of preparation, planning, investment to hold an event for
12:58 AM <•stefek99> couple of days...
12:59 AM <•stefek99> This is not sustainable... We should have a permanent establishment... (and sorry about my silly line breaks - I'm using some IRC client that allows me to type long lines and then it sends as two messages)
1:01 AM <•stefek99> Current stage - me working in a job in London (pays relatively well), doing some research, investigating the best way to own the land (so it is not dependent on me) and yeah... Nature already knows how to grow food and technology will be helping us... In 1969 we put man on the moon - in 2015 we know how to use temperature / humidity sensor to automate
1:01 AM <•stefek99> gardening (switch water on / off)
1:11 AM <•stefek99> (going to sleep, bye for now)
8:49 AM <•stefek99> Good morning :) I found this link on LHS (London Hackspace) mailing list and I think it's uber-good - https://github.com/genesisdotre/wiki/wiki/Ways-of-earning-money
8:50 AM <•stefek99> Learn to code (2 days a week), code in a job (3 days a week) - get paid regular, living salary...
8:50 AM <•stefek99> In my humble opinion - life does not get any better than that :)
8:50 AM <•stefek99> (of course if you are into having a job and working - if you value freedom more than no job will be any good)
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1:04 PM <strfry> good morning stefek99 :)
1:05 PM <•stefek99> strfry good morning :)
1:06 PM <•stefek99> Right now - writing email to http://jenniferlynmorone.com/ - she established 1-person corporation - selling her personal data FTW! :)
1:06 PM <strfry> generating income without doing someone elses work is one my biggest goals right now ;)
1:07 PM <•stefek99> Where are you based? Having that information will help me direct my thoughts...
1:07 PM <strfry> in germany, mainz
1:07 PM <•stefek99> (different places, different jurisdictions, different way of generating income)
1:08 PM <•stefek99> First thing that spring to my mind - 0.25 EUR plastic bottles but that's hard and not-sustainable work :)
1:09 PM <strfry> yeah, i leave that to the poor guys that really depend on it
1:09 PM <•stefek99> I was collecting bottles at #camp but that was 1 EUR a piece...
1:10 PM <•stefek99> (and bottles were lying everywhere)
1:10 PM <•stefek99> At some point I realized - it's not worth my time - I'd rather enjoy the festival... (and leave the job to poor guys that depend on it)
1:10 PM <strfry> though one could forgem them / trick the return machines to generate some trickle income (the plastic bottles)
1:11 PM <•stefek99> Or trick trolley dispensers to steal 1 EUR deposit coin... But that's stealing
1:11 PM <•stefek99> It doesn't add value... (I'd rather create wealth, abundance, prosperity)
1:12 PM <•stefek99> BTW... Do you know how to enable automatic IRC channel archiving?
1:12 PM <strfry> no
1:12 PM <•stefek99> I'm pretty sure there will be plenty of great discussions here... (I don't want them to be wasted)
1:12 PM <strfry> i do not care too much about creating value, with our fucked up money system right now. im okay if i do no harm
1:13 PM <•stefek99> do no harm - be no evil - just like Google :)
1:13 PM <strfry> i just want to get a share of the freshly printed stuff ;)
1:13 PM <•stefek99> I'm sorry to hear that so many people are constrained on money...
1:13 PM <strfry> i will do good stuff in my free time, when i am not thinking about making money
1:14 PM <strfry> combining these two seems very difficult
1:14 PM <•stefek99> I will copy & paste from email to my coworker: "My battles – on Thursday I started backing up stuff – transfer to loxshare was so slow so I had to remove some of my stuff… Friday – reimaging laptop, Monday – bank holiday, Tuesday – bitlocker fail, Wednesday (Today) – something else fail… FFS! It’ll be a week of lost productivity because of
1:14 PM <•stefek99> laptop problems… One week of contractor pay – you can get top-of-the-line MacBook for that price…"
1:14 PM <•stefek99> I'm in the office - getting paid - and sitting on IRC channel
1:15 PM <•stefek99> While IT works on my laptop...
1:15 PM <•stefek99> It's unfair - I feel as I was cheating (not working properly)
1:16 PM <•stefek99> So I try to help other people as much as I can... Last night - I gave £20 to guy who really needs it
1:16 PM <•stefek99> http://www.coffeeandsnow.com/?page_id=2  -  "After my second admission to hospital lead to my eviction from my flat."
1:16 PM <strfry> for example, there are people that live on doing healing work. that's something i might want to do someday, but taking the money from other people that basically have the same problem is not really a solution for me
1:17 PM <•stefek99> healing work... yeah...
1:18 PM <strfry> i'm researching a lot into neuro-feedback these days, basically as my main project
1:18 PM <strfry> so i might be competent to help people with that in the near-mid future
1:19 PM <•stefek99> neuro-feedback... let me find one link...
1:24 PM <•stefek99> (still searching for that link)
1:25 PM <•stefek99> It's a Japanese guy who does some work with Arduino
1:29 PM <•stefek99> Obviously - brain and arduino - BrainDuino - http://www.psychiclab.net/
1:30 PM <•stefek99> I met this person at the #camp - I saw a demo, took a card and moved on - should have stayed and explore what he has to offer... (#camp - amazing place with access to people who are hard to reach otherwise)
1:31 PM <strfry> yeah, i know masahiro ;)
1:31 PM <strfry> spent quite some time with him at neurovillage
1:42 PM <strfry> anyway, what did you find out about land owning? in germany, a trust/foundation is supposed to be the best way, to get a good stand against the pseudo-state authorities
1:55 PM <•stefek99> As of now (2nd Sept 2015) - I don't know much - ideally I'd like to have something low maintenance - something that doesn't required quarterly reports to Mr Taxman
1:55 PM <•stefek99> Something that can operate on autopilot and can legally accept money...
1:56 PM <•stefek99> Another option I'm considering is http://www.seis.co.uk/ - Seed Enterprise Investment Scheme - disguising community living as a startup and accepting heavily discounted money from this programe...
1:57 PM <•stefek99> Ideally - that is something I'd like to receive some help - I was never good at paperwork - currently focusing on refining website, putting some docs together (+I have job +I have family) --- I cannot do everything myself... (or in other words: I can but it'd take more time)
1:58 PM <strfry> i'm no good at that either... i hate paperwork :)
1:59 PM <strfry> where did you want to setup the thing? was it portugal?
2:01 PM <•stefek99> yes... Portugal for many reasons - weather, proximity, legal
2:01 PM <•stefek99> NeuroVillage - https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Village:NeuroVillage - WOW WOW WOW...
2:01 PM <•stefek99> (I should have done more research before the #camp - so many things were happening)
2:02 PM <•stefek99> I love Mitch - https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/User:stefek99 - I cannot wait to see him again :)
2:03 PM <strfry> yeah, the whole time i had the feeling that i am constantly missing the other 99.9% of camp ;)
2:03 PM <strfry> i did some research in advance, but did not see everything i wanted to anyway
2:04 PM <•stefek99> I know the feeling... In fact... I went into polyphasic sleep phase... It was natural... I didn't want to waste time for sleep...
2:04 PM <•stefek99> But sometimes when I was tired I was just looking for a piece of grass and shade - quick nap - recharge - and back to the 'sightseeing' mode again
2:05 PM <•stefek99> At some point I was hallucinating without any drugs... And I would really like to learn more :)
2:06 PM <strfry> i had a hard time adjusting to the generator noise
2:07 PM <strfry> i went with a biphasic sleep strategy, but after a few days of camp, i was in constant sleep-deprivation mode, it even was obvious in the brainwaves ;)
2:14 PM <•stefek99> At some point I was thinking about this device: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9xhqY13cXA
2:14 PM <•stefek99> Upgraded Focus Brain Trainer - by Dave Asprey - Bulletproof Executive
2:21 PM <•stefek99> I'd happily invest in myself / my performance... Realistic timeline: January 2016... Currently: too many things on my head, I wouldn't be able to fully explore all the goodies.
2:45 PM <strfry> did not now this one yet... the neurofeedback market is really crowded
2:46 PM <strfry> looks like a HEG type device, circumventing the whole EEG electrode business by using light to measure blood flow
2:51 PM <strfry> he doesnt seem to be selling them anymore, but someone on the internet said it once costed 895$
2:51 PM <strfry> i'd guess the production cost for such a device might be between 10-20$ maybe a bit more in small series production
2:53 PM <strfry> this is not an unusual ratio in this sector ;)
3:47 PM <•stefek99> That's a pretty hefty margin... I have a friend who is trading incense sticks from India - http://www.pure-incense.com/ - I thought 500% margin is cool... Brain hacking devices - that will be my target market! (great audience - people willing to invest in themselves - and the higher the price the better the product)
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9:14 PM <akira> stefek99: logging can only be done clientside. 
9:14 PM <akira> some channels use a bot that automatically logs everything and puts it on an archive website
9:15 PM <•stefek99> akira: thanks for sharing, I'll bear that in mind... For the moment - maybe I'll just copy & paste and stick it on GitHub... :)
9:15 PM <•stefek99> (unless there are any major objections - I know that it doesn't scale but it is good enough for now)