Code of Conduct Discussion #3
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| * Conduct considered inappropriate for a professional environment. | ||
| * Conduct considered unbecoming by any member of the 'Tech Rat Moderation' team. |
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This applies to both L24 and L25 here. Copypasting what I wrote in the original PR.
This is highly up to personal interpretation IMO. Whats acceptable in my workplace may not be acceptable in yours.
I realize I might be a bit pedantic about this one. I completely understand what the writers of the Contributor Covenant CoC are going for here, but it's the "walking the fine line" situations that may make some question rather this would apply to what they're saying, and I don't want to stifle conversation as a result.
In my experience.. if people question if what they're saying is acceptable (and I mean actually question it), they're more apt to just not say anything at all instead of asking for clarification. I'm not saying all people are like this.. but there are quite a few.
For that reason I'm very opposed to overly-broad and easily misinterpreted wording such as this.
I know that ultimately us moderators will throw the banhammer as needed... but we're not going to swing just because we want to. there are still quantifiable reasons that we can easily put down on paper.
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Some are quantifiable, yes - but some aren't. There's always That One Guy who will point at any document such as a CoC or TOS and try to wriggle innocence through lack of specificity. 'My sin is not on the list!'. A CoC should establish a spirit of what we want, and make it clear that if someone chooses to act outside that framing, they may get smacked for it.
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I agree we need to be more specific here. Some examples would be great, and if not what we have otherwise will have to be sufficient.
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A CoC should establish a spirit of what we want, and make it clear that if someone chooses to act outside that framing, they may get smacked for it.
I think that Conduct considered unbecoming by any member of the 'Tech Rat Moderation' team. doesn't even come close to make that framing clear, and just makes it harder to judge XD
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I have a fundamental objection to making "Keep an open-mind, and respect differing viewpoints" a rule. Obviously professionalism and avoiding of ad-hominem should be expected. But this statement is too broad and imposes an obligation to hear out every single opinion and suggestion regarding projects which I do not have time for.
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Well, we can have it one way, or the other. Either we list out a very comprehensive set of disallowed behaviors, or we make a general statement regarding things that go against the spirit of the agreement. The intent with the current wording is to provide examples, but also leave room for interpretation should something come up that isn't explicitly covered in the examples.
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I modified the wording a bit, hoping to make this more general. Keep an Open Mind has been removed, in favor of simply Respect differing viewpoints. If the suggestion that comes across is that you must hear out every banal idea that gets thrown out, that isn't the intent.
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I'm still iffy on
Conduct considered inappropriate for a professional environment.
myself... again back to the highly up to personal interpretation thing. Anyone got any other thoughts on that line specifically?
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I think that line is too broad,
Like Clapton said its open to personal interpretation.
The problem with personal interpretation is it becomes all to easy to claim "well it seems perfectly acceptable to me".
I think we need to define with a bit more specifics what is considered professional.
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The opposite to that is of course "Well it's not in the CoC"... inevitably this means we will have to expand beyond what is written, either because it is broad or we encounter a situation that is not specified.
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Some are quantifiable, yes - but some aren't. There's always That One Guy who will point at any document such as a CoC or TOS and try to wriggle innocence through lack of specificity. 'My sin is not on the list!'. A CoC should establish a spirit of what we want, and make it clear that if someone chooses to act outside that framing, they may get smacked for it.
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I have a fundamental objection to making "Keep an open-mind, and respect differing viewpoints" a rule. Obviously professionalism and avoiding of ad-hominem should be expected. But this statement is too broad and imposes an obligation to hear out every single opinion and suggestion regarding projects which I do not have time for.
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unclear about something
maybe something like
unclear about an aspect of this CoC
thoughts?
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| The scope of this document applies to everyone within the organization's project space, and any individual representing the organization in public spaces. | ||
| The scope of this document applies to everyone within the Fuel Rats project spaces, any use of an official Fuel Rats account, or when individually speaking as a representative of the Fuel Rats. |
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Again I bring up the point that we could have people complain because they interpret this as
well they're an org member, therefore they're always a representative of the Fuel Rats.
Yes us moderators can quickly shoot this down, but it's still causing a confusion
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I'm open to any and all suggestions. That was just the most recent suggested wording.
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use the wording official representative? just becuase they are a member of TFRM doesn't make them a representative.
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'officially representing' or 'specifically representing... as a whole' works for me, or other grammatical equivalents.
Initial draft of a potential code of conduct for org-wide adoption. There is plenty missing that needs to be addressed and/or added.