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'... shall be [fined, imprisoned, or both]' #142

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bwaldon opened this issue Nov 12, 2024 · 7 comments
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'... shall be [fined, imprisoned, or both]' #142

bwaldon opened this issue Nov 12, 2024 · 7 comments

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@bwaldon
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bwaldon commented Nov 12, 2024

Should we treat this as ternary-branching coordination? If so, the first two coordinates are presumably VP... how about "both"?

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nschneid commented Nov 12, 2024

Is "both" elliptical for "both fined and imprisoned", and if so, is it a VP with "both" functioning as fused Marker-Head? Or should we just say that it's an NP (fused determiner-head) and anaphora can lead to coordination of unlike categories?

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Yes, I think both is a fused Marker-Head.

3.2.4 Marker-Head
We have two cases of a phrase in Marker-Head function: The case of etc. (see §5.4.3)
and the case of elliptical stranding of to (see §6.1.1).

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@BrettRey is this what you mean? It gives a Coordination headed by a DP which is anomalous, but I can't think of a better solution.

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yes. Does that make sense?

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There was some discussion about whether "both" is a fused Det-Head NP, roughly short for "both of these" or "both things", which would be similar to analyzing "etc." as a fused Marker-Head NP parallel to "and others".

Intuitively, though, it feels like "both" is used here like the Marker in correlative coordination.

Notably, "all" cannot appear in correlative coordination, and also is strange in this construction:

  • ??The defendant shall be fined, imprisoned, censured, or all.

"All of the above" is the ordinary way to express this, and is a clear NP.

The other correlative coordinations are either...or and neither...nor. "Neither" also works in the right context:

  • You may be fined, imprisoned, or neither.

It's hard for me to think of a case where "either" makes sense semantically since "or" is already typically disjunctive.

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(A different construction with "neither":

  • You like ice skating, and so do I.
  • You don't like ice skating, and neither do I.

I don't think this bears on our analysis of the above.)

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TL;DR of our analysis:

  • The last coordinate of a VP-Coordination may be an anaphoric NP ("etc.", "no others", "all of the above", "both of these", "neither one", ...).
  • In a list of 2+ things followed by "or both/neither", we treat it as ellipsis of an embedded coordination, of which both/neither is a fused marker-head. Unless punctuation clearly signals it is a supplement, we treat it as a final coordinate.

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