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"such" in legalese: D? Determiner? #136

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nschneid opened this issue Sep 13, 2024 · 10 comments
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"such" in legalese: D? Determiner? #136

nschneid opened this issue Sep 13, 2024 · 10 comments
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@nschneid
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nschneid commented Sep 13, 2024

CGEL p. 1546 characterizes "such" as an adjective (even when a predeterminer). Footnote 54 notes legal register uses like "such term" meaning 'this term', but doesn't explicitly comment on the category or function. It seems to be filling the Determiner slot, so maybe Det:AdjP?

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e.g. nert-nlp/legal-cgel#34 "If the adverse party is a resident of the district within which the award was made, such service shall be made..."

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I guess I thought it was a determinative 16 years ago:
https://simple.wiktionary.org/wiki/Talk:such

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I guess AdjPs cannot otherwise be determiners (p. 355), so it is reasonable to explain this by adding "such" to the determinative category.

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agreed

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bwaldon commented Oct 1, 2024

Also: "said" as in "said term"

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nschneid commented Oct 1, 2024

Also: "said" as in "said term"

I know @BrettRey has opinions on this. :)

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BrettRey commented Oct 1, 2024

Really seems like such is a D: PROVIDED, HOWEVER, That this article shall not be so construed as to forbid the employment by the state of a chaplain for such of the state custodial, correctional, and mental institutions, or by a county's or public hospital district's hospital, health care facility, or hospice, as in the discretion of the legislature may seem justified.

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BrettRey commented Oct 1, 2024

And, yes, said too.

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nschneid commented Dec 19, 2024

@bwaldon suggested demonstrative substitution as a test for D:

  • such criterion/criteria => this criterion, these criteria => D
  • such is... => this is... => D
  • such a criterion => *this a criterion => Adj
  • the third such criterion => *the third this criterion => Adj
  • one/no/any such criterion => *this such criterion => Adj
  • all/both such criteria => all/both these criteria => D
    • a predeterminer construction: cf. all the criteria, *any the criteria

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If we find such criterion without any other plausible DP, then I think it has to be a D there. The other contexts seem less clear.

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