Music Assistant
Emulate a Spotify Connect device #419
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I'm not sure, but this seems a totally another concept to me, as MA controls what is played to existing players. |
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That add-on only works with local speakers as far as I can tell, wheras MASS lets you cast to whatever device which is great. |
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Plus you'd get the notifications right just by using the mass speakers. It would also be an option or alternative to emulate google cast devices (https://developers.google.com/cast/codelabs/cast-receiver#0). |
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I'd also love to see MA "emulate" a Spotify Connect device as It'd not only let you use the spotify app as usual to control playback - but with MA's added fuction to crossfade! Which is a big issue for all Spotify Connect Devices. Spotify does not allow to crossfade via Spotify Connect. But MA does this. Although it's kind of pointless for me to use MA since I cannot control it via my Spotify apps what I mainly do... |
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Thanks for this feature requests, it’s moved to the discussions. |
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+1 for this feature request |
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What this component could do, is to emulate a Spotify Connect device (just like the addon does for RPi's local soundcard) for each media player configured in MA. That would allow us to extend functionality of any media player with Spotify Connect, even ones not directly supported by Spotify. |
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I've just tested Logitech Media Server. It has a plugin, "Spotty", which allows enabling Spotify Connect to any slimproto/squeezelite/etc player you have. These will appear in Spotify's mobile apps as individual speakers. The stream will go through the server for each instance. That's what we need here, to add Spotify Connect Speaker functionality to any media player behind MASS, platform independently. |
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Yes I know (they borrowed that idea from me actually years ago) and this is also something I have in mind for MA but first focus on getting all basics covered before I go implementing this as its not that easy to get it 100% right. |
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That's exactly what I have been looking for too :) @marcelveldt is there a way to get involved in this? |
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A few weeks of patience please because I need to fix some basics in V2 first but then this can be added with relative ease |
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Hi, if you want to emulate a Spotify Connect device, you need to use the Spotify Web API and the Spotify Playback SDK. You can find the documentation and examples here: https://developer.spotify.com/documentation/web-api/ and here: https://developer.spotify.com/documentation/web-playback-sdk/. To get started, you need to spotify create app on the Spotify Developer Dashboard and register your device. Hope this helps! |
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I know exactly how to implement it but it needs time and 2.0 stable has to be released first. We are currently focussing on the more basic stuff before we can do fancy stuff like this. Nevertheless thanks for the input. |
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Can you convert Spotify connect speakers and emulate them as media devices? I through I red somewhere that you can with MA? This would make this the only app that would then allow you to use your ecobee thermostat to send notifications through HA I think. |
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+1 for this feature request |
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Any news on this? I'm thinking about switching from LMS to MA, but being able to control playback from the spotify app is a major part of the high WAF |
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We have a feature freeze now, working out the bugs so we can (finally?!) release 2.0 stable. |
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I am not part of the amazing team from MA. But please be a bit more patient. These guys do all this stuff in their free time. I think MA is by far the most impressive thing in the home-music distribution. Thank you all around @marcelveldt for doing such a great job and saving us a lot money to stay away from ROON ;-) |
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Congrats on the release of 2.0 @marcelveldt! Hope we'll get to see Spotify connect support soon |
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@marcelveldt is it still planned for 2.1? I see there's release candidates, but I couldn't find anything in the change logs regarding this feature, searching for "spot". I'm happy whenever it comes, just trying to find out what I can plan for. |
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No it is not and I doubt 2.2 either but we will see |
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+1 would love to see this now after 2.0 |
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This last piece of the puzzle would completely let me yank all of my Sonos out today. Airplay would be a great bonus, but I can live without that. Can't wait to see this get implemented! |
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Awesome. Totally agree with this. I've been running LMS and picoreplayer but the Spotify Connect aspect falls off the network at times. This feature would let me drop down from several Pi's to squeezlites and make my wife very happy lol. |
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+1 for this feature please. To be able to create speaker groups in MA that are individually addressable directly from Spotify would be AMAZING this way I would not have to use Google's jank@ss speaker group feature that works like 12% of the time. |
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This would be amazing! |
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I'm confused as to how the playback is handled currently because it seems to circumvent the "only one stream" limit of the account... I was expecting to find the spotify app or web ui show me what was currently playing but it didn't and it allows me to listen to two separate things at the same time? |
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This! This is the best part of MA, that you can have multiple streams for spotify. If it would be implemented like a Spotify Connect device wouldn't that stop working then? |
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I guess you could have a Spotify Connect per speaker group? |
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Spotify and Spotify Connect can be two distinct music providers. Adding Spotify Connect shouldn't have any effect over the Spotify music provider. |
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Tidal connect works Like Spotify Connect - so it would be great If Tidal Connect was also supported! |
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With the official Spotify Auth flow now in place, I'm hoping this is now close? Fingers crossed, thank you Home Assistant Team! <3 |
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To think out loud, because I can see it would be challenging to make up how Spotify Connect control would work within a Music Assistant Queue. How about a "Spotify placeholder"? - no, don't run, hear me out! :D So, instead of specific songs in the MA queue, we let a user fiddle with Spotify Connect, and play songs controlled by a Spotify Connect app, etc. But after a configurable amount of seconds of no playback the MA queue picks up again. This could either 1) be a "fake track" that waits its turn in the queue, or 2) interrupt MA playback right away when there is a Spotify (or apple music?) Queue, OR 3) Always be the next "spot in the queue", so when MA is playing things, it detects a Spotify Queue filling, and will inset those tracks in the queue after the currently playing track. TLDR: Spotify Connect should:
What are your thoughts? |
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I believe @marcelveldt implemented the spotify connect feature for LMS years ago so im guessing he has a good idea of how itll be developed. Just gotta find time is my guess. |
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Do you recall how that implementation interacted with the native queue? |
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I implemented it for Kodi and it has become the inspiration for LMS indeed back then. But I'm not going to do it liek that again with the fake tracks. That was a bad design decision. Instead I will just redirtect the sound of the spotify connect player itself to a player(group) of choice, treating the spotify connect as a input source. What @nimbling is proposing above is how it works/worked on Kodi and LMS (my previous take on this) and I'm never ever going to do that again, its a minefield. So what you will get is that you can add one or more spotify connect players - you give them a name of your liking and attach a player or playergroup. Once you start playback to that player from spotify, it will feed that audio to the player you choose. Simple and effective. |
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@marcelveldt thanks for the clarification, and good to know the “fake track” stuff is not an option, and thanks for letting us in on why 😅. I see weaving Spotify / SoundCloud tracks is a distinct enough use case from Plain Spotify Connect to just have them be separate things. Smart 🙏🏻 |
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+1 for this! Would solve issues I have with MA's queuing system working differently than Spotify's (namely being able to add an album sequentially to the top of the queue while in radio or 'don't stop the music' mode). |
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Implementation-wise, couldn't this be done by using librespot/spotifyd to stream to an ogg file that's exposed to MA? |
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+1 for this feature |
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I too am hyped for this feature as it is the one thing stopping me from using music assistant as my daily driver. |
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+1 HYPED for this feature |
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@marcelveldt in march you said "it would be one of the first new features in 2.1" which has been and gone. Has this been deprioritised? Looking at the dev project board, it looks to be in the 'later' column (https://github.com/orgs/music-assistant/projects/2/views/1?pane=issue&itemId=33987883). If it has been deprioritised, its a real shame given how much clear desire there is for this feature as evidenced by this thread and the responses to it. Speaking personally, as soon as this feature is implemented, I'll start using music assistant in my setup. Until that happens its not really usable for me. |
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To be honest I find this a quiet harsh reaction to a delayed feature. music assistant is a project done by people in their spare time and is already an awesome project! And this for free! So instead of pushing people better donate some money - as I did ;-) @marcelveldt thanks for this great project! |
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@freakyjoe8 +1 That was also my feeling. I think sometimes the people forgetting about how much time is needed to create something like MA. @marcelveldt thank you for this great piece of software. |
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I didn't take it as offending but thanks anyway for the kind words |
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I don't consider my reaction unreasonable. I was asking for communication, not for anything to go faster. 🙃 |
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But yes @marcelveldt your hard work is absolutely appreciated of course ❤️ |
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+infinity |
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Future commenters please be aware that every +1 or +infinity send a notification to everyone that has comment on this thread and serves the same purpose of upvoting the initial post, and does not make the feature get developed any faster. |
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It's so great to hear that this has risen to the top of the priority queue again. I've been watching this discussion for a while as I went in on a vacation home with 6 other people last year and figuring out how to play music collaboratively has been really tough--every device is either Bluetooth and pairs to only one device at a time or is signed in to a specific person's Spotify account and can only play their stuff. I'd really love for anyone on the network to be able to play or queue music. So is there a branch we can follow to learn more about the progress of the new feature? Or are there PRs that you would like reviewers on (not clear that reviewers would add anything for you but reviewing seems like a sane middleground for help, short of learning the entire code base/API)? Best, |
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Thanks for the offer Eric but the project doesn’t really need reviewers it needs people to help out with the issues (ideally) or add new features. There is so much to do that new features, such as Spotify Connect, will get added when time allows. For that reason no timeframes are given but yes progress has been made on this. |
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I appreciate that. And I appreciate your response. Is there anything those of us on this thread can do to raise the priority of Spotify Connect for you? |
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Not at this time. The votes have been noted which is why it is moving up the priority list |
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I finally decided to give this a go since I wanted to cast to my Marantz cinema receiver as well which I was unable to do "manually". I eventually came to realize I needed Spotify connect support in order to send the radio/music etc to my receiver. So I ended up in this thread. Am I understanding it correctly that once this feature you are all talking about here is implemented, I will be able to transmit music via Spotify connect to any speaker supporting Spotify connect? Meanwhile, I'll stick with MA. What an absolutely brilliant add-on! Tremendous work indeed. I'll make sure to donate once I'm able to make use of my receiver through MA. |
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Where are you looking? |
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Apologies for having the setup in Swedish. The below picture is where I look in HA. The upper picture is where I look in MA.
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Interesting. I see that the entity name is media_player.marantz_cin(something) vice media_player.marantz70s but either way I don't see it in the list. Others do have this working albeit with other issues https://github.com/orgs/music-assistant/discussions/2602 Perhaps your amp doesn't report the necessary capabilities. The docs just say this at the moment:
but I assume you can play media to it via HA ok? |
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Interesting reading you linked to, thanks. Seems that guy got a bit further, I need to dig deeper here. In regard to the entity name it's correct what you saw (in my earlier post I tried to recall the actual name from the top of my head which was slightly off, well noticed!). I actually can't play media to my receiver via HA, at least not yet. In all honesty I haven't tried it out that much. I just thought of using HA when I discovered I could make use of Spotify connect to transmit to my receiver. |
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Following up on your linked post I noticed there are actually three Denon integrations available. I have had the Denon AVR Network Receivers integrations installed. I now also installed the Denon HEOS integration and voila, it worked out of the box! The receiver now appear as a media player in MA in the list for "HA Media players". Many thanks for most excellent guidance OzGav! |
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Have MA configured players show up in Spotify apps as "Speakers" (Spotify Connect devices).
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