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The terms are in a markdown file, so we have some alternative layouts for easier reading: https://github.com/gratipay/gratipay.com/blob/new-terms/www/about/policies/terms-of-service.md @copiesofcopies isn't allowed to comment publicly here because of attorney-client privilege, but he's aware of this PR as well as #3390, and I'll be proxying the conversation back and forth between here and our private legal repo. I printed out a copy and made a first pass through. In general I think they're great! I love that we're using terms like Participant and Team and Open Work. That really makes it feel to me like this is Gratipay's document and not just boilerplate (though there's plenty of that, too; why do lawyers always end up shouting towards the end?). Tomorrow I'll take another pass through with a ✏️, at which point I'll post specific revisions. |
cc: @colindean |
Planning to take a look later today. |
I think the terms are great and I'll have no problem to accept them. |
@fenryxo Woo-hoo! Awesome! :D 📝 @colindean Cool, thanks. :-) |
I skimmed the terms really quickly, and didn't see anything that stood out in a negative way. I'm also looking at this from the perspective of people I'd reach out to for support: "If I ask a supporter to make a Gratipay account to support one of my projects, would this pull them in or push them away?" The terms look professional and complete, and I feel they'd tend to give confidence to new supporters in making a Gratipay account. |
Thanks @ehmatthes, good thought re: the impression these create for new users and especially new supporters for Gratipay Teams. |
We use a mechanism external to this markdown file for page content titles. If we should change the title to "Terms of Use" (as it had been here) then let's do that using our normal mechanism.
Any smart punctuation should be handled by markdown.render.
I like having our raw markdown terms in our repo and public on the website. In that case though they should be formatted nicely. There were over-long lines, so I zipped through and reflowed the document using Vim's standard Markdown formatting.
... and if we expect some people to see the raw markdown file, then it should have a title. Let's just strip that off when wrapping in the site's HTML templating.
I made another pass through with a ✏️ and I've made a few commits to standardize the markdown. I'm going to make another commit with what I take to be non-controversial typos, and then I'm going to annotate the file with the rest of my questions/comments, to be discussed publicly here with whomever is listening, and privately with @copiesofcopies. Additional points from @copiesofcopies:
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Reticketed as gratipay/inside.gratipay.com#202. The new terms also call for [email protected], so I reticketed setting that up as gratipay/inside.gratipay.com#203. |
Terms. | ||
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1. You are responsible for maintaining the security of your account | ||
information, including your password. You agree to notify Gratipay |
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We don't provide password authentication (see #1052; we do have API keys, which are basically passwords, but we only allow you to use them with Basic authentication, not cookie authentication. Basic auth is useful from programmatic clients that want to consume our JSON API, but not for human interaction with the site). All authentication via a web browser is done with OAuth against a social network (Twitter, Facebook, etc.).
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Current plan after private discussion:
You are responsible for maintaining the security of your account information, including
your passwordyour authentication credentials. You agree to notify Gratipay immediately of any actual or suspected loss, theft, or unauthorized use of yourpasswordcredentials.
otherwise), including without limitation payroll tax, unemployment insurance, | ||
and worker compensation insurance payments. Team Owners are also responsible | ||
for providing any required tax and other documentation to employees, | ||
independent contractors, tax authorities, or any other person. |
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How about minimum wage law? Probably doesn't fit under Fees and Taxes, but seems like something we want to remind Team Owners that they're responsible for complying with.
Agreed upon earlier, missed them in the last batch.
I’ll try to skim the new ToS later today and will be happy to share my view. If you don’t hear from me in a few hours, assume either a) I didn’t have time to do it; or b) I don’t have any issues with it. In both cases, do carry on. |
Awesome, thanks @silverhook! P.S. I've posted an explanation why we can't use bitcoin anymore at gratipay/inside.gratipay.com#201 (comment), and I'll follow up via email with specifics for your case. |
Terms are done! Last thing here is to clean up the formatting ... |
There's some formatting I can't get right via markdown.render. Going to brute force it for now ...
Huzzah! 💃 !m @copiesofcopies et al. |
OK, I managed to skim quickly through the ToS (excluding the PP and other referenced terms). First of all, I find it very laudable that the ToS are easily readable and take only ~ 8 pages 👏 Regarding the content itself, I think it is fine, however there are some points I would like to have clarified (preferebly in the ToS itself) or I have comments about:
Other than that, regarding content I have nothing to complain about. It looks pretty good to me 😸 As for the form, I very warmly recommend to read (and apply) the suggestions in this short blog post on how to make HTML legal documents (such as the MPL) look nice. I especially agree with the “no all caps” rule – no-one reads all caps paragraphs, so they are not emphesised, but hidden by it. 😝 Well, I hope this does not sound too grave. Non of there seem to me as deal-breakers, but it would still be nice to work on it, if possible. |
Thanks @silverhook! We're going to run with the terms as deployed for purposes of #3399 and #3415. I'm happy to process your input with @copiesofcopies once things settle down. |
@silverhook Reticketed as gratipay/inside.gratipay.com#204 so we don't forget. :-) |
@whit537 I’m cool with that :) |
Closes #3390.